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MAGA Is Cancer's avatar

I have been talking to some young people from the right and they are convinced that doctors are in bed with big pharma and they are fans of RFK. They believe that the push for vaccine is for profit and that healthcare industry isn’t trying to deal with the root of people’s health issues. They believe in what RFK is selling. How do we get through these people?

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Bob Morris, MD, PhD's avatar

Good question. There is so much misinformation wrapped up in that belief. Hopefully we can do it with relentless public education but it may take reemergence of deadly diseases to prove the point. It would help if we could end the dictatorship of deceit.

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Free Radical's avatar

Second to last paragraph:

"It should be noted that we also saw a dramatic drop in influenza mortality during COVID. (I have a forthcoming paper on this currently available as a LINK-funky). The difference is that the 2019-2020 flu season was ..."

Published benefits of ivermectin use in Itajaí, Brazil for COVID-19 infection, hospitalisation, and mortality are entirely explained by statistical artefacts

Robin Mills, Ana Carolina Peçanha Antonio, Greg Tucker-Kellogg

doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2023.08.10.23293924

Commenter Jaroway above says link takes him to a different incorrect preprint. Maybe the server is wonky.

https://drbobmorris.substack.com/p/when-measles-met-covid/comment/117098475

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Bob Morris, MD, PhD's avatar

Fixed. Thank you.

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Bob Morris, MD, PhD's avatar

Good point. This is at a time when vaccination rates exceed 90%. Before vaccination, there would be about half a million cases per year, every year. In the ten years before the vaccine there were 5 million cases. The only reason there weren't more each year is that no one got through childhood without getting it. COVID hit an entirely immunologically naive population.

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Free Radical's avatar

Link to your preprint re: influenza rates 2020-2021 takes me to;

Published benefits of ivermectin use in Itajaí, Brazil for COVID-19 infection, hospitalisation, and mortality are entirely explained by statistical artefacts

Robin Mills, Ana Carolina Peçanha Antonio, Greg Tucker-Kellogg

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Bob Morris, MD, PhD's avatar

Where did I make an incorrect reference? Would like to fix.

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C M Jarowey's avatar

Not sure why that occurred for you. The link goes to Lancet article claiming vaccinations were the cause of developmental disorders in children.

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Free Radical's avatar

I don't think that's the intended target paper either. Should be "Influenza mortality as an indicator of ...."

This one is;

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.06.24303834v2

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Bob Morris, MD, PhD's avatar

Fixed!! Thanks so much for your feedback and persistence.

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Free Radical's avatar

My pleasure, or something like that. Keep up the great work - 💪 Or take a break.

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C M Jarowey's avatar

Thanks!

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Patrick M. Dennis, MD's avatar

Didn't we see pretty much the same thing during the 2020 influenza season?

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Bob Morris, MD, PhD's avatar

I have a paper coming out on this. (Here is the preprint) https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.06.24303834v2

The difference is that the 2019-2020 flu season was ending when COVID hit, so we don't have a good measure of 2020. Measles shows how dramatic the effect was during that year.

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Love Liberty's avatar

935 measles cases doesn't seem 'explosive' to me. Compare that to the first 4 months of COVID with 465,000 cases.

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"Measles is the most contagious human virus, 5-10 times more contagious than COVID. We have witnessed that incredible transmissibility over the past few months as measles spread explosively in the United States with 935 cases in just the first four months of this year."

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